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The following facts that were discovered from Barack Obama's previously unrevealed trip to Karachi, Pakistan and Hyderabad, India in the Summer of 1981 in the "private" San Francisco fundraiser of early April 2008 that gave rise to the "Bittergate" controversy exposed on the Huffington Post and Hannity & Colmes, among others.

According to the report of Larry Rohter of April 10, 2008, in The New York Times,

During the speech, Mr. Obama also spoke about having traveled to Pakistan in the early 1980s. Because of that trip, which he did not mention in either of his autobiographical books, “I knew what Sunni and Shia was before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,” he said. NYT Source

Karl Loren Note: I will typically test web data by checking some obvious statement to see if it is true. The first test I made, above, seems OK.

the Obama campaign staff, when questioned about the revelation of Obama's 1981 trip to Karachi, stated: "Mr. Obama visited Pakistan in 1981, on the way back from Indonesia, where his mother and half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, were living. He spent 'about three weeks' there, Mr. Obama’s press secretary, Bill Burton, said, staying in Karachi with the family of a college friend, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, but also traveling to Hyderabad, in India."

That information is significant for two reasons. First and foremost is the fact that Mohammed Hasan Chandoo is a radical Muslim who with his relatives operate a website that is anti-Semitic and anti-American and supports radical Islamic politics.

Go to chandoo.com ,

Karl Note:I went to that site and found this notice:

Welcome to Chandoo.com

This site is temporarily under (re)construction.

the home page of the Chandoo brothers, with a links to the Chandoo brothers favourite sites. Not only are the sites anti_American and anti-Semitic, they are anti-women, with several vulgar references to the distasteful Shia Muslim practice of "muttah." Shia recognize muttah as an accepted practice. It is a short term marriage where by a contract states the length of the marriage and the consideration to be paid. In reality, muttah is a purported short-term marriage, whereby poor Pakistani and Indian Muslims often "pimp" their own daughters to Middle-East tourists for a few rupees when visiting the Indian Sub-Continent. Elitist Muslims use muttah to as a means to exploit poor attractive young woman and girls just reaching puberty for a few rupees. If Obama befriended the Chandoo brothers, as claimed by his campaign, what does that say about his "judgment?"

Many young fundamentalist Muslim "scholars" have traveled to Hyderabad to witness what they believed was stolen from Islam by India's Hindu majority. Karachi is a favoured spot for young radical Muslims because Pakistan was the first former British colony that abandoned English common law for Islamic law following the coup d'etat of General Mohammed Zia who overthrew the democratically elected government of Ali Bhutto in the late 1970s. Indeed, Barack Obama admitted that he traveled to Karachi while under military rule of madman and dictator General Zia. These new revelations about Obama's college travels to Karachi and Hyderabad raise the question of whether Obama is a Muslim apostate, a question muzzled by Obama's constant incantation that he is a 20 year member of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. One wonders why, if Obama was always a Christian, he was "baptised" by Pastor Jeremiah Wright Jr. as an adult.

The simple truth is that by Obama's own numerous accounts there are different versions of the purported truth as to whether his mother was an atheist , an agnostic, or a deeply spiritual person who provide Obama with religious reading material from various religions. Why has the press not looked further into this bundle of contradictions from the printed words of Dreams of My Father to Obama's own public statements and his campaign's inconsistent responses to press inquires.

The critical question to be answered is not whether Obama is now a Christian as opposed to being a Muslim, but whether Obama was ever a Muslim, as numerous friends and teachers have unequivocally indicated before Obama announced his candidacy for President in February 2007.

Obama should be called to publicly dispute the credible evidence indicating that Obama is a Muslim apostate because Obama himself, as well as his campaign website have made it an issue by publicly proclaiming, "Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian."

Obama's previously undisclosed and unrevealed trip to Karachi and to Hyderabad are troubling in light of Obama's Dreams of My Father accounts of a Muslim heritage and the unbiased reporting of Los Angeles Times Djakarta Bureau Chief Paul Watson's on site investigation of Obama's prior practice of Islam reported in the March 16, 2007 edition of the Los Angeles Times. There Watson wrote:

" Obama's campaign aides have emphasized his strong Christian beliefs and downplayed any Islamic connection. The Illinois senator was raised 'in a secular household in Indonesia by his stepfather and mother,' his chief spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said in a statement in January after false reports began circulating that Obama had attended a radical madrasa, or Koranic school, as a child.

"'To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago,' Gibbs' Jan. 24 [2007] statement said. In a statement to The Los Angeles Times on Wednesday[March 14, 2007], the campaign offered slightly different wording, saying: 'Obama has never been a practicing Muslim.' The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood's Islamic center."

Thereafter, Watson noted:

" His former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama's grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both of the schools he attended.

" That registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion class.

"The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque. 'We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played,' said Zulfin Adi, who describes himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends.

" The campaign's national press secretary, Bill Burton, said Wednesday that the friends were recalling events 'that are 40 years old and subject to four decades of other information.' Oama's younger sister, Maya Soetoro, said in a statement released by the campaign that the family attended the mosque only 'for big communal events,' not every Friday."

Continuing to report on his investigation, Watson wrote:

"Adi said he often visited the Soetoro family at their home, a small flat-roofed bungalow at 16 Haji Ramli St. Today, he runs an Internet cafe and purified water business from the same small Jakarta house where he grew up near Obama.

"Theirs was a middle-class neighborhood, but Haji Ramli Street was a dirt lane where Obama used to while away the hours kicking a soccer ball. In the long rainy season, it turned to thick, mucky soup; Obama and his friends wore plastic bags over their shoes to walk though it, said Adi, who at 46 is the same age as Obama.

"Neighborhood Muslims worshiped in a nearby house, which has since been replaced by a larger mosque. Sometimes, when the muezzin sounded the call to prayer, Lolo and Barry would walk to the makeshift mosque together, Adi said.

"His mother often went to the church, but Barry was Muslim. He went to the mosque," Adi said. "I remember him wearing a sarong."

On January 16, 2007, Obama launched BarackObama.com and issued a press release stating that on February 20, 2007, he would make an announcement on his running for President of the United States, as reported by local Station NBC5 in Chicago. Following that announcement, The Kaltim Post, an Indonesian newspaper carried a story about Obama's Indonesian friends clearly discussing that Obama was a practicing Muslim when he lived in Djakarta, reporting in Indonesian: " Mengenai agama yang dianut sang senator AS, Akhmad Solikhin, wakil kepala SDN 1 Menteng, tidak yakin Barry beragama Islam. . . .menurut Tine sang guru, Barry mengikuti pelajaran agama Islam semasa sekolah." That translates into English as: " Concerning the religion that was followed by the US senator, Akhmad Solikhin, the representative of the SDN head 1 Menteng, was not sure Barry was religious [devoute] n Islam. . . . according to his teacher(guru) Barry took part in the Islam religious lesson during the period of the school." Additionally, another Indonesian newspaper The Benjarmasin Post, in a July 9, 2006 report on Barack Obama's time in Indonesia, based upon Obama's local friends in Djakarta wrote:"Barry dulu memang beragama Islam," which clearly translates into English: " Barry was previously quite religious [in] Islam." It also reported: "Semua saudara sebapak Barry ini beragama Islam." That translates into English as: "All of Barry's family were religious[devote] in Islam." Thereafter, it was written: "Kita dulu sering mengajak dia ke mushala dekat rumah." Translation: "In the past we often invited him to the [Islamic] prayer room near the house." the report had previously noted, "dia aktif ke mushala," which translated means, " he was active in the prayer room." Additionally, Nicholas Kristof in a March 6, 2007 article in The New York Times styled "Obama: Man of the World" wrote of Obama's command of Aribic in chanting the Adhan, the Muslim call to prayer, stating:
"Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.'"

 

The foregoing publicly available information on Obama's past supports a conclussion that thre is a vigorous dispute as to whether Obama is a Muslim apostate who practiced Islam by worshiping in mosques. Indeed, the Benjarmasin Post report of July 9, 2006, reported that Obama's Indonesian friends told the paper that all of Obama's family were practicing Muslims in Djakarta. This report was published seven months before Obama announced his candidacy. The report on Obama's past stated in Indonesian: "Semua saudara sebapak Barry ini beragama Islam." That translates to: "All of Barry [Obama's] were devout Muslims." Rony Amir, a good friend of Obama was quoted as saying, "Kita dulu sering mengajak dia ke mushala dekat rumah," which translates into English as, In the past we often invited him to the [Islamic] prayer room ( mushala ) near his house." Continuing on the report noted that Obama's religion, as recorded in his school records was "Islam," in writing in Indonesian: "Agama Barry yang tertulis dalam dokumen itu adalah Islam." Again, the very first paragraph of the report on Obama clearly states, "dia aktif ke mushala," which translated into English means that he was "active" [a regular attendee of ] the "mushala," [the Muslim prayer room] in his neighborhood.

 

These are important issues to the American body politic because Obama has proclaimed that he was never a Muslim during his campaigning in Iowa in December 2007. Why? Because Obama's Muslim friends in Indonesia, as well as Paul Watson, the well respected bureau chief of The Los Angeles Times have indicated that Obama once practiced Islam and these reports were based upon information discussed well before Obama became a serious, if not leading, contender for the Democratic Presidential nomination. Simply put, what does it say about the personal integrity, and candor ( i.e., honesty) of Obama the candidate who seeks the highest office in the land by misrepresentation and deception on such a straightforward issue. This is particularly important since the Obama campaign's website has a November 12, 2007 web page titled, "Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian." Yet, the web page fails to refute the Watson report of March 16, 2007 ( although it makes reference to the Watson report of March 16, 2007, the reference is neutral and fails to dispute the personal accounts of those interviewed by Watson) or the reports of the two Indonesian newspapers of July 2006 and January 27, 2007, which reported on Djakarta residents that stated, without motive to lie, that Obama once was a practicing Muslim. Again, integrity is a huge personal attribute that is appropriately considered by the body politic. Why has Obama not responded to the dispute on a point-by-point basis when over 13 percent of Americans believe Obama is a Muslim apostate and has misrepresented his former Muslim affiliation by simply intoning that he "has never been a Muslim," despite reputable evidence to the contrary.

The Obama campaign website makes the unsubstantiated claim: "Barack Obama Is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim. Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ." Did Paul Watson fabricate a story about Obama's Muslim prayers at a Djakarta mosque? Were the quotations form the Los Angeles Times report of march 16, 2007, which can be accessed on the Obama website by a hyper-link false? Was the account of one of Obama's closest friend in Djakarta an utter falsehood, which hoodwinked Watson to write: "The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque. 'We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played,' said Zulfin Adi, who describes himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends." What motive to fabricate such basic historical facts did Zulfin Adi and /or Watson have at the time the report was published? I submit none whatsoever.

According to the SWAMP, the Chicago Tribune's political blog of December 22, 2007, Barrack Obama specifically denied EVER practicing Islam. Obama stated: "I've always been a Christian" and "I have never practiced [Islam]." This raise the question: Is Barack Obama an Impostor? Did Obama's answers to direct questions obfuscate the truth? Was Obama deliberately lying to gain the highest office of the land by blatant misrepresentations of material facts that his campaign considers so important that it has dedicated a good portion of its website to support the claim that: " Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian."

Returning to the April 10, 2008 New York Times report of Obama's San Francisco revelation of his 1981 trip to Pakistan appears to undermine the Obama website claim of November 12, 2007 that, "Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian," as well as his personal public representation that, "I've always been a Christian" and "I have never practiced Islam."

This is a fundamental question of personal integrity of Obama, not an anti-Muslim attack on a political candidate. Why has the news media missed the big question of whether Obama may have deliberately lied about his past practice of Islam to secure the Democratic nomination. Pakistan has become the template of grafting Shariah law on all Muslim countries and others, such as Kenya, where Barack Obama's professed first cousin, Raila Odinga signed a Memorandum of Understanding with fundamentalist Muslim factions on August 29, 2007, prior to the disputed December 27, 2007 Kenyan general elections to implement Shiriah law in the Kenyan Costal provinces. THAT Memo STATES IN PARAGRAPH 5(f) "NO MUSLIM RESIDING IN KENYA WHETHER A CITIZEN, VISITOR OR RELATIVE OF ANY OF THE OF ABOVE SHALL BE SUBJECTED TO ANY PROCESS INVOLVING THE LAWS OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY AND IN PARTICULAR ANY MUSLIM ARRESTED FOR OR SUSPECTED OF TERRORISM OR ANY OTHER INTERNATIONAL CRIME SHALL ONLY BE TRIED WITHIN THE BORDERS OF KENYA AND SHALL BE GRANTED A COMPETENT LAWYER OF HIS/HER CHOICE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE GOVERNMENT." One of the big issues Barack Obama's first cousin Rail Odinga ran on seeking the presidency of Kenya was the extradition of Muslim terrorists from the Kenyan port city of Mombassa to Ethiopia for trial by Kenyan President Kibaki over the past several years. In August 2006 Obama used the pretext of going on a Senate fact finding trip to spend U.S. government money to openly campaign for his then undisclosed first cousin Odinga. The Kenyan government protested Obama's actions in deliberately interfering with domestic Kenyan politics when on an official Senate visit as a guest of the Kenyan government. On august 28, 2006, WCBS2 Chicago reported on Obama's public support of his then undisclosed first cousin, Raila Odinga, as well as Obama's open criticism of the Kenya government, stating in pertinent part:
At the University of Nairobi two hours later, the senator offered more pointed criticism, something he's done almost every day since arriving last week. After remaining largely silent, the government of President Mwai Kibaki is beginning to respond, suggesting that Obama may have fallen under the spell of opposition leader Raila Odinga.

A potential presidential candidate himself, Odinga's been at Obama's elbow here fairly often and is a member of the Obama family's Luo tribe.

"Sen. Obama has to look at critically about where he's receiving his advice from," said government spokesman Dr. Alfred Mutua. "Just because somebody, somewhere wants to run for president and is using Sen. Obama as his stooge, as his puppet to be able to get to where he wants to get to."

This was well before Raila Odinga revealed his first cousin relationship with Obama in January 2008, a fact that Obama's campaign has failed to dispute. Odinga's political campaigns have been funded by Muammar Gaddafi the Libyan dictator who is close to Obama's mentor, the Jeremiah Wright, Jr., and Louis Farrakhan. This is how The Standard of Nairobi described Odinga's connections to Muammar Gaddafi in its July 29, 2007 edition:
"While still Energy minister, Raila re-established and nurtured his links with the Libyan Government of Col Muammar Gaddafi, where again he not only did good business in oil importation, but also got substantial material support during the 2002 General Election.

"Besides supporting Raila’s political cause, the Libyans also played a key role in stabilising Raila in the oil business. Reliable sources say that Libyans bankrolled the Narc campaign with some $3 million (about Sh210 million), thanks to Raila’s good contacts in the oil-rich land of Gaddafi.

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There is no doubt, therefore, that if Raila becomes the ODM-Kenya presidential candidate, he can once more count on massive financial support from the North African country."

The standard report aslo revealed: "In June, Raila flew to the US, where he held talks with Senator Barack Obama, one of the candidates seeking the Democratic Party ticket to vie for the American presidency. " Clearly, Obama's past associations should give any fair minded American pause as to Barack Obama's personal integrity.
East Africa (Kenya, Somalia, the Ogaden sector of Ethiopia and Tanzania), like Pakistan has become a breeding ground for radical Islam. Barack Obama's affinity for, association with, and self professed knowledge of Islam, gives one great pause because of his categorical denial of his Islamic past without specific repudiation of the scores of sources that undermine, if not totally belie, his assertion that he never practiced Islam. Is Obama to be believed, particularly given his ambitions to seek the Democratic nomination from 2006 onward? Why has the Obama campaign changed its story between Obama not being a "practicing" Muslim in its March 14, 2007 statement to Paul Watson from its January 24,2007 statement issued by Obama campaign spokesperson Robert Gibbs that: "To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago," to change once again following Paul Watson's investigative report of March 16, 2007. Again, like the Obama denials of knowledge of the hate based, racist and Marxist ideology, which has been mischaracterized as Black Liberation Theology spewed by his Pastor Wright, Obama's various accounts of Obama's Muslim heritage, both written in Dreams of My Father and given by his campaign spokesperson, are a web of contradictions. In the words of Sir Walter Scott "O, what a tangled web we weave When first we practise to deceive." Marmion, 1808.

Can the United States of America sober up from its Obama intoxication to question Obama's categorical claim that he NEVER practiced Islam? What has happened to the healthy skepticism once the hallmark of American journalism? Like the Pastor Wright issue, this matter of Obama's claim to never practicing Islam has not been properly aired by the press, save Paul Watson and The Los Angeles Times.

Why would a college student from Occidental college in Los Angeles, California, visit two hot bed cities of fundamentalist Islamic doctrine in 1981 unless the student embraced radical Islamic ideology? Why not spend that time with his mother in Djakarta, rather than in Karachi and Hyderabad cavorting with the radical Chandoo brothers who enjoy western vices, but support radical political causes?

 

 

 

 

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